I got ripped off buying this pair of Charley... in a store.. (not Woodbrass, rest assured!). I paid 79€ for this Charley and honestly even 79€ for these cymbals is nothing! I found, for example, that this Charley is much better than the Zildjian ZBTs.. I'm a big fan of bands like Lostprophets, The Blackout, 30 Seconds To Mars etc. this cymbal satisfies me! Of course, there are better ones, but at this price, I strongly recommend this cymbal, Paiste does very good work (that's no longer to be proven) but I don't know if you'll find better in this price range.